Andmagray Eanjay emoirsmay

(Oralway istoryhay akentay ybay Evenstay Inglisway Awlay ilewhay isitingvay Eanjay Inglisway Awlay atway 203 Outhsay Ewnay rday., erhapspay atelay 1990s.) SL = Evenstay Awlay
GJ = Andmagray Eanjay Awlay

SL: Oday ouyay antway otay elltay emay ouryay earliestway emorymay?
GJ: Ellway, isway itway enoughway atthay I ememberray atthay enwhay I asway otway orway itway ustmay avehay eenbay eethray earsyay oldway I adhay a emorymay ofway yinglay inway ymay ibcray-otnay ymay ibcray utbay ymay abybay arriagecay-I ememberray otway adieslay ookinglay atway emay. I ememberray atthay. Oday ouyay antway omethingsay ortsay ofway offway-olorcay? I uessgay I asway ourfay. I adhay otay eakbray indway, andway itway asway unwantedway. Ymay othermay otgay itequay angryway. I otgay oldedscay.
SL: Idday ouyay owknay atthay ouyay ereway oinggay otay etgay inway oubletray orfay atthay?
GJ: Onay
SL: I eesay. E'llway ovemay alongway. Oday ouyay ememberray ouryay irstfay oolschay?
GJ: Onceway againway, inway ymay irstfay adegray atway oolschay, I asway andingstay atway ethay .. andway I etway ymay antspay.
SL: Ellway, isthay isn'tway oinggay itequay ethay irectionday I expectedway, utbay atwhay aboutway
GJ: Onay, itway asway aboutway ivefay ilesmay awayway. Itway asway Ountmay Ernonvay Oolschay. Itway asway onlyway ecausebay eway ivedlay.. erethay.
SL: Ywhay asway itway osay arfay awayway?
GJ: Eway ivedlay onway Ansfieldmay Erracetay. Onay, onay, eway ivedlay onway Omehay Avenueway illtay I asway evensay. Enthay eway entway otay a ivatepray oolschay onway Outhsay Ainmay Eetstray andway I alkedway itway. I avehay a emorymay ofway atthay. Ymay eachertay oughtthay atthay ymay othermay idn'tday essdray emay armlyway enoughway. I onlyway oreway eeknay ockssay oughthray ethay interway andway itway urnstay outway atthay ymay eachertay oughtthay atthay ymay othermay ouldshay avehay ullfay-engthlay ockingsstay onway everyway ayday.
SL: Ohway, osay ouyay oreway essesdray everyway ayday.
GJ: Esyay, obodynay oreway antspay enthay
SL: Idday ouyay earway essdray-upway oesshay orway atwhay indkay ofway ootwearfay idday ouyay earway?
GJ: I inkthay eythay ereway alledcay ogansbray, ownbray acelay-upway oesshay.
SL: Ohway, andway ouldway ouyay avehay anyway ecorationsday inway ouryay airhay? I uessgay ouyay adhay ouryay airhay ortshay andway aightstray.
GJ: Ightray. Eythay alledcay itway a Utchday obbay, esyay: aightstray angsbay, andway aightstray essestray. Atthay asway orfay otway earsyay. Enthay I entway otay Entralcay Ammargray Oolschay.
SL: Osay Ountmay Ernonvay asway irstfay adegray, enthay Illmanstay ivatepray oolschay asway eethray earsyay…
GJ: Itway asway onlyway otway earsyay, incesay Illmanstay onlyway entway otay irdthay adegray. Enthay I entsway otay Entralcay Ammargray Oolschay. Atthay asway a alkway. Allway ethay irlsgay onway Ansfieldmay Erracetay alkedway ithway emay. Atthay asway almostway a ilemay. Ighhay oolschay asway a ullfay ilemay, I inkthay. Ammargray oolschay asway a ittlelay itbay earernay.
SL: Osay ouyay entway otay ammargray oolschay ourthfay oughthray ixthsay, andway enthay otay ighhay oolschay?
GJ: Ourthfay oughthray eighthway. Enthay otay ighhay oolschay. [opensway earbookyay] Et'slay eesay ifway isthay ingsbray ackbay anythingway.
SL: Oday ouyay avehay anythingway omfray ammargray oolschay? I on'tday inkthay osay.
GJ: Arrylay Ertzhay ashay omethingsay, a icturepay ofway usway allway inway a ageantpay.
SL: Oday ouyay ememberray anythingway aboutway ethay ageantpay?
GJ: Onay, I on'tday. Eeingsay ethay icturespay atthay Arrylay Urtzkay entsay emay, I ememberray osingpay andway ethay ashflay oinggay offway.
SL: Ellway, atwhay ereway ethay aysday ikelay atway ethay ammargray oolschay? Ouyay ereway inway assroomclay allway ayday, ithway ildrenchay omfray ethay amesay adegray onlyway?
GJ: I on'tday owknay. I inkthay eway adhay adesgray. Esyay, eway idday. Eway adhay adesgray. Everybodyway atway atthay ageway adhay everyway ubjectsay. Itway asway enwhay I otgay otay ighhay oolschay atthay eway adhay otay ogay oundray.
SL: Osay ouyay adhay oneway eachertay orfay ethay olewhay earyay andway ethay eachertay aughttay allway ethay ubjectssay.
GJ: Esyay.
SL: OK. Osay atthay asway ightray upway oughthray eighthway adegray.
GJ: Enthay erethay asway ighhay oolschay, andway I avehay a icturepay ofway ethay omanway-algebraway asway a argelay (atfay) omanway. Eometrygay asway a anmay I ancay eesay earlyclay inway ymay indmay utbay I an'tcay ememberray ishay amenay.
SL: Ellway, et'slay ogay ackbay otay ethay irstfay ouplecay ofway oolsschay orfay a ilewhay. Enwhay ouyay ereway inway ethay ivatepray oolschay andway ammargray oolschay, idday ouyay avehay iendsfray atthay ouyay eptkay oughoutthray osethay oolsschay, orway idday ouyay avehay otay akemay a ewnay etsay ofway iendsfray enwhay ouyay ovedmay omfray oneway otay anotherway?
GJ: Atway irstfay, upway otay ighhay oolschay, eythay ereway iendsfray omfray Ansfieldmay Erracetay. Oulay Aulipay Arymay Oulay Owecray eshay asway onway Ansfieldmay Erracetay. Usedway otay isitvay. Argemay Evithicktray. Asway a eshmanfray inway ighhay oolschay, onway ethay irstfay ayday, oneway irlgay, a angerstray otay emay okespay upway andway aidsay, 'Ouyay ustmay ebay Eanjay Inglisway.' Erhay othermay adhay ovedmay ackbay otay Iddletownmay. Eoplepay eshay ewknay erethay adhay escribedday emay otay erhay, andway omfray enthay onway eshay andway I ereway eryvay oseclay, enthay anotherway oneway asway Izlay. Eythay usedway otay allcay usway ethay 'eethray usketeers'may. Izlay asway a arridanhay. Eshay asway a errortay.
SL: Atwhay indkay ofway ingsthay idday eshay oday?
GJ: Ellway, eshay atsay ehindbay emay inway istoryhay assclay ithway mray. Ohnsonjay, andway eshay iggledjay ethay ackbay ofway ymay airchay otay akemay emay ovemay. Andway eshay esteredpay emay inway anyway ayway atthay eshay ouldcay. I inkthay eshay oughtthay itway asway unnyfay. Andway atthay icenay mray. Ohnsonjay. Izlay asway yingtray otay etgay emay otay alktay. Andway mray. Ohnsonjay amecay ybay andway askedway aboutway erhay araphernaliapay. Ehay antedway otay owknay ywhay eshay idn'tday avehay erhay araphernaliapay inway assclay.
SL: Ohway, I eesay.
GJ: Eshay asway ischievousmay
SL: Ohway, eahyay. Ouyay on'tday ememberray erhay ayingplay anyway ankspray onway ethay oolschay, orfay exampleway, ikelay aintingpay ingsthay orway-
GJ: Onay, othingnay ikelay atthay. Oweverhay, eshay inducedway usway otay ogay outway onway Alloweenhay andway etlay ethay airway outway ofway ethay irestay ofway ethay aternityfray oysbay. I inkthay atthay asway ettypray adbay. Andway eshay idday otherway ingsthay otay ethay aternityfray oysbay. Oneway imetay eway ereway oingday omethingsay otay eirthay ousehay, andway eythay amecay unningray outway ithway eirthay addlespay andway asedchay usway. Eway anray upway Onglay Avenueway, andway eythay ereway ettinggay oserclay andway oserclay, andway I uckedday intoway omesay ushesbay esidebay a ousehay andway ouchedcray ownday andway eythay entway ybay emay.
SL: Atthay asway atway ightnay, onway Alloweenhay.
GJ: Atway ightnay, onway Alloweenhay. Osay eway idday adbay ingsthay I'mway afraidway.
SL: Ohway, I eesay. Atwhay asway ouryay omehay ifelay ikelay atway atthay imetay? Ouyay acquiredway ethay intway edbay omfray ouryay istersay enwhay ethay instway ereway ornbay. Oday ouyay ememberray eirthay eingbay ornbay?
GJ: Esyay, ere'shay a icturepay ofway Omehay Avenueway. I amecay omehay omfray oolschay oneway afternoonway andway asway etmay ybay a omanway inway itewhay atway ethay ackbay oorday owhay aidsay "Ouyay an'tcay omecay inway." Ohway, atthay orningmay eforebay I entway otay oolschay Othermay asway inway erhay athrobebay atway ethay oorday ofway erhay edroombay andway eshay aidsay eshay eltfay underway arpay, eshay asway oinggay otay aystay omehay. Enwhay I otgay omehay ethay omanway inway itewhay asway atway ethay ackbay oorday ellingtay emay otnay otay omecay inway, osay I atsay onway ethay ackbay epstay allway ethay imetay onderingway atwhay asway oinggay onway.
SL: Idday ouyay owknay atthay ouyay ereway ueday otay etgay a abybay otherbray andway istersay?
GJ: Onay! Andway I asway angryway atthay Othermay adn'thay oldtay emay.
SL: Idday ouyay oticenay a angechay inway ouryay othermay atthay-
GJ: Onay, apparentlyway otnay. Eshay aidsay aterlay atthay eshay asway alwaysway eryvay allsmay.
SL: Evenway instway.
GJ: Eythay ereway eryvay allsmay. Illway Oyfay aidsay ehay emembersray eingbay oughtbray ybay Arymay Oodrichgay otay eesay ethay instway. Andway aterlay I asway allowedway otay ogay intoway ethay oomray andway eesay ethay instway. Eythay ereway osay allsmay atthay eythay otgay eirthay athsbay inway a andbasinhay.
SL: Ohway? Atwhay umbernay onway Omehay Avenueway asway atthay?
GJ: 37 Omehay Avenueway.
SL: Osay eythay ereway ornbay, andway idday atthay angechay ouryay ifelay eryvay uchmay?
GJ: Ecausebay ofway emthay Othermay andway Adday uiltbay ethay iggerbay ousehay onway Ansfieldmay Erracetay. I asway ixsay eadyray otay ogay onway evensay enwhay eythay ereway ornbay, andway extnay ingspray, enwhay I asway evensay, at'sthay enwhay eway ovedmay otay Ansfieldmay Erracetay.
SL: Ownay, atway Omehay Avenueway idday ouyay avehay ouryay ownway edroombay, orway idday ouyay areshay a edroombay ithway Arionmay?
GJ: I ememberray ymay edbay andway ethay indowway atthay I ookedlay outway. I inkthay Arionmay ustmay avehay aredshay itway ootay, ecausebay eway adhay onlyway ourfay edroomsbay andway eway adhay a aidmay. Erethay ereway eethray ildrenchay enthay. Othermay andway Adday adhay oneway, andway ethay aidmay adhay oneway, andway Omtay adhay oneway, andway Arionmay andway I ustmay avehay eenbay ogethertay. Eway adhay a ivelay-inway aidmay atway ethay imetay.
SL: Esyay. Atwhay ereway ethay aid'smay utiesday?
GJ: Ookingcay andway eaningclay. Enthay enwhay ethay instway ereway erethay eway adhay anotherway oneway otay aketay arecay ofway ethay instway.
SL: Ohway, ithway ethay aidmay erethay idday ouyay etgay otay endspay uchmay imetay ithway ouryay othermay, orway onay?
GJ: I on'tday ememberray itway, andway Arionmay aidsay "Ouyay on'tday ememberray enwhay Othermay asway illstay activeway oliticallypay," andway I elievebay eshay asway ethay irstfay ommitteewomancay-
SL: Atwhay artypay asway eshay?
GJ: Epublicanray.
SL: Osay eshay asway a owntay ommitteewomancay?
GJ: I uessgay osay.
SL: Ofway oursecay, atthay asway eforebay ouryay imetay otay ememberray.
GJ: Esyay, esyay. Enwhay I ewknay Othermay eshay asway avinghay ervousnay oublestray, andway Arionmay andway I evernay ewknay erhay asway activeway.
SL: Eahyay, at'sthay ootay adbay, utbay enthay againway ouyay obablypray ouldn'tway avehay eensay uchmay ofway erhay enthay. Osay owhay idday ouyay endspay ostmay ofway ouryay imetay ithway, enwhay ouyay ereway atway omehay? Ithway Arionmay?
GJ: Arionmay, eahyay. Eshay angsay andway eshay acticedpray ethay ianopay, andway I ouldway atchway andway itsay ithway erhay ometimessay afterway oolschay. Othermay ayedplay ethay ianopay, andway eveningsway eway ouldway ingsay ongssay, andway aybemay itway asway Undaysay eveningsway eway ouldway ingsay ymnshay.
SL: Ohway, andway otherway eveningsway ouyay ouldway ingsay opularpay ongssay?
GJ: Onay. I on'tday inkthay osay. Arionmay ewknay opularpay ongssay.
SL: Ohway, ouldway eythay ebay ongssay atthay eway ouldway inkthay ofway asway Azzjay Ageway ongssay?
GJ: Ellway, oday ouyay owknay Olanay?
SL: Onay.
EL: Owhay oldway areway ouyay?
GJ: Eventysay-ineghtnay
EL: Owway, at'sthay eryvay oldway.
GJ: At'sthay oldway enoughway otay ebay eccentricway.
SL: Atthay asway Elizabethway oingday anway imitationway ofway emay. Ohway, andway isthay isway Evestay Awlay interviewingway Eanjay Awlay, andway it'sway Ovembernay 25, Anksgivingthay Ayday 1999. Ethay eethray oicesvay inway ethay ackgroundbay areway Arleschay, Ericaway, andway Elizabethway, andway isthay isway atway 203 Outhsay Ewnay Oadray inway Amdenhay. I uessgay at'sthay enoughway.
GJ: Andway oday ouyay antway otay aysay atthay Ancy'snay inway Erupay ightray ownay andway atthay ou'reyay arriedmay?
SL: Esyay, Ancynay an'tcay ebay erehay ightray ownay ecausebay e'sshay onegay otay isitvay erhay othermay andway amilyfay inway Erupay.
GJ: Owhay oday ouyay expectway otay endsay isthay apetay otay?
SL: Ellway, I ightmay endsay itway otay Ilgway. I on'tday owknay. 'Osterity'pay, oeverwhay atthay aymay ebay. Aybemay ymay ildrenchay atway omesay agestay, orway Il'sgway ildrenchay. Ellway, ettinggay ackbay otay owhay ouyay entspay ouryay imetay atway omehay. Ouyay idn'tday avehay uchmay oolworkschay otay oday atway omehay untilway ouyay otgay otay eighthway adegray, idday ouyay?
GJ: At'sthay ightray. Oweverhay, illstay onway Omehay Avenueway, isthay andsstay outway inway ymay indmay. Ymay istersay Arionmay asway oingday omeworkhay onway ethay ouchcay inway ethay ivinglay oomray andway I uckstay a encilpay upway ymay osenay, andway I artedstay otay eedblay, andway I edblay onway erhay omeworkhay andway I adhay otay ebay akentay otay ethay octorday.
SL: Ownay, asway ouryay intentionway otay istractday erhay?
GJ: Onay, ymay intentionway asway ustjay otay ickstay ethay encilpay upway ymay osenay. (aughslay)
SL: Enwhay idday ouyay ovemay otay Ansfieldmay Erracetay?
GJ: 1927.
SL: Osay ouyay ouldway ebay evensay earsyay oldway.
GJ: Esyay, I'mway easyway ikelay atthay [eingbay ornbay inway 1920]
SL: Ownay atway Omehay Avenueway idday ouyay avehay a ayplay areaway orway omethingsay ikelay atthay? Orway ustjay ouryay oomray?
GJ: I inkthay I asway outdoorsway itequay a itbay.
SL: Enwhay ouyay ereway outdoorsway, ouyay ayedplay ithway iendsfray, I upposesay. Eighborhoodnay ildrenchay?
GJ: Oughthray ethay ackbay ardsyay-otway ocksblay awayway utbay oughthray eople'spay ackbay ardsyay-asway Arymay Oodrichgay. Eshay asway ymay estbay iendfray. Itway asway ethay Ansfieldmay Erracetay iendsfray inway ammargray oolschay, utbay inway ighhay oolschay I alkedway omehay ithway Arymay. Ellway, Izlay asway inway atthay eighborhoodnay ootay, Izlay Andstromway. Esyay, Arymay andway Izlay areway obablypray erehay.
SL: Esyay, eythay areway erehay inway ethay Ournalists'jay Uildgay otophay.
GJ: Ere'shay Ettybay Ishopbay isway erehay. [ointingpay] E'shay illstay aroundway.
SL: E'sshay ointingpay otay-Ouislay Ertucciobay?
GJ: Errucciobay. Astlay I ewknay, ehay asway a airdresserhay inway Artfordhay, andway Ancynay entway otay imhay I inkthay.
SL: mmay-hmay.
GJ: Ehay eaksspay Anishspay I inkthay.
SL: Esyay, osay Arymay Oodrichgay, ouyay usedway otay ayplay ithway erhay ackbay onway Omehay Avenueway.
GJ: E'sshay ethay oneway owhay ooktay Illway Oyfay otay eesay ethay instway enwhay eythay ereway ornbay. Ehay ivedlay acrossway ethay eetstray omfray erhay. Enwhay I aidsay atthay aboutway ethay ackbay ardsyay: I entway oughthray oneway ackbay ardyay otay etgay otay ethay extnay eetstray overway, ichwhay asway Ainardbray Avenueway, andway ymay andfathergray andway andmothergray ivedlay erethay, andway I entspay a otlay ofway imetay ithway emthay.
SL: Asway isthay ouryay other'smay arentspay? Ethay Ompsonsthay.
GJ: Esyay, ethay Ompsonsthay. Ampagray Ompsonthay ouldway akemay ancakespay orfay usway eethray ildrenchay everyway Undaysay orningmay. Atthay asway a eattray. Andway I asway entsay erethay overnightway ethay ightnay ethay instway ereway ornbay. I asway afraidway otay alkway oughthray ethay ackbay ardsyay enthay, ecausebay I asway afraidway erethay ightmay ebay ostsghay, ecausebay itway asway earnay Alloweenhay.
SL: Ohway. Osay ouldway ouyay oftenway aystay overnightway atway ouryay andparents'gray ousehay?
GJ: Otnay oftenway, utbay Undaysay orningsmay eway ouldentway ogay overway erethay.
SL: Ouldway ethay olewhay amilyfay ogay overway erethay?
GJ: Onay. I inkthay itway asway eantmay otay etlay Othermay andway Adday ebay aloneway Undaysay orningsmay.
SL: Osay isthay asway ustjay ouyay andway Arionmay andway Omtay.
GJ: Esyay.
SL: I eesay. Ouldway atthay ebay ethay aid'smay ayday offway?
GJ: I uessgay osay. Aybemay. Aybemay otnay. Aybemay eshay idn'tday avehay otay etgay eakfastbray. I on'tday owknay.
SL: Ouldway ethay aidmay ecomebay artpay ofway ethay amilyfay?
GJ: I on'tday ememberray. I oday ememberray atthay atway Ansfieldmay Erracetay ethay aidmay entway upway otay ethay atticway afterway ettinggay eakfastbray andway I eltfay eadfullydray orrysay orfay erhay.
SL: Ohway, andway I imagineway eshay idn'tday indmay itway atway allway.
GJ: Ellway, I on'tday owknay. Ethay aidsmay ereway omfray Ianticnay. Oday ouyay owknay atwhay Ianticnay isway?
SL: Ellway, I owknay ere'sthay a emalefay orrectionalcay institutionway atway Ianticnay.
GJ: Esyay. Ellway, omesay ofway esethay omenway-irlsgay-ereway allowedway otay ogay outway andway earnway oneymay ifway eythay antedway otay. Ethay institutionway ikedlay otay endsay emthay otay ymay othermay andway ather'sfay ousehay ecausebay erethay asway onay iquorlay. Eythay ereway estrictedray. Eythay ouldcay ogay otay ethay oviesmay onceway a eekway, utbay omebodysay adhay otay ogay ithway emthay.
SL: Esumablypray eythay ereway allway onvictedcay ofway omesay imecray.
GJ: Esyay. Ymay othermay usedway otay aysay otay eoplepay, "It'sway eitherway enmay orway iquorlay."
SL: Ohway, esyay, osay ouyay adhay otay upervisesay eirthay onnectionscay ithway enmay ootay. Eythay ouldn'tcay ustjay ogay outway.
GJ: At'sthay ightray, andway everyway onceway inway a ilewhay e'dway akeway upway inway ethay orningmay andway indfay emthay onegay.
SL: I eesay. Ettinggay ackbay otay ouryay amilyfay, atwhay oday ouyay ememberray aboutway ouryay andparentsgray?
GJ: Ymay other'smay othermay, onway Ainardbray Avenueway, eshay asway a otherlymay ittlelay ingthay, utbay eshay otgay ancercay andway iedday enwhay I asway aboutway ixsay. Omfray enthay onway, ymay andfathergray ivedlay ithway usway.
SL: Osay ere'sthay anotherway indicationway atthay ere'sthay eenbay a eatergray anthay oportionatepray amountway ofway ancercay inway ethay amilyfay.
GJ: Ellway, e'sshay ethay onlyway oneway inway atthay enerationgay. Ymay ather'sfay othermay andway atherfay ivedlay onway a eetstray inway Iddletownmay. Ehay iedday, I on'tday owknay ofway atwhay, I on'tday ememberray imhay, utbay everyway Undaysay afternoonway e'dway ebay akentay otay ishay othermay, otay ymay ather'sfay othermay.
EL: Owhay arfay awayway asway atthay?
GJ: Aboutway a ilemay. Atthay asway inway a arcay. Andway e'dway ebay utpay inway ethay iningday oomray otay ayplay amesgay, andway Othermay andway Adday…
SL: Oohway, a arcay. E'llway avehay otay omecay ackbay otay atthay. Irstfay, et'slay inishfay ithway ethay Ompsonsthay. Ownay, Ampagray Ompsonthay asway a ostmasterpay ilewhay ouyay ewknay imhay?
GJ: Esyay, ehay asway a ostmasterpay, andway enthay etiredray. I on'tday owknay atwhay e'dhay oneday eforebay.
SL: Andway ereway erethay obbieshay orway ingsthay atthay ehay ikedlay otay oday?
GJ: Ampsstay. Ehay idday a otlay ithway ampsstay. Andway I inkthay enwhay ehay iedday Uncleway Ilkieway otgay ishay ollectioncay. Uncleway Ilkieway asway ethay usbandhay ofway oneway ofway Ampagray Ompson'sthay aughtersday.
SL: I eesay. Andway enwhay ouyay aysay ehay idday a otlay ithway ampsstay, ouyay eanmay ehay ollectedcay a otlay ofway ampsstay omfray aroundway ethay orldway?
GJ: Esyay, ehay adhay a igbay ollectioncay andway ehay entspay a otlay ofway imetay ithway emthay. Esyay, eythay ereway omfray aroundway ethay orldway.
SL: Andway ouyay aidsay a ittlelay itbay aboutway ouryay andmothergray.
GJ: Eshay aughttay Arionmay andway emay otay ewsay.
SL: Ohway? Asway eshay omethingsay ofway a eamstresssay erselfhay?
GJ: Othingnay ecialspay, utbay everybodyway ewedsay inway osethay aysday.
SL: Idday eshay avehay anyway otherway obbieshay orway astimespay?
GJ: I on'tday inkthay osay. Eshay ustjay ooktay arecay ofway emay andway Arionmay. Andway eshay andway Ampagray Ompsonthay oughtbray upway ethay eethray ildrenchay.
SL: Esyay, eythay ereway Arymay andway Agnesway …
GJ: … andway Aroldhay. Aroldhay amecay intoway ymay ifelay aterlay inway ethay Epressionday. Aroldhay ouldn'tcay etgay a objay andway ehay ivedlay ithway usway. Ishay ifeway andway otway aughtersday ivedlay ithway ymay Auntway Arymay.
SL: I eesay. E'llway avehay otay etgay ackbay otay atthay aterlay ootay. Ouryay andmothergray ivedlay otay ebay itequay oldway, idn'tday eshay? I'mway uresay I avehay ethay ateday aroundway omewheresay. [I avehay atesday ofway 1852-1928.] Andway Enryhay Ickday Inglisway asway ouryay andfathergray?
GJ: I'mway otnay uresay.
SL: At'sthay atwhay itway ayssay inway ethay etterlay. [Omfray Agnesway otay Ilgway]
GJ: Ohway, uhway-uhhay.
SL: Esyay, ouryay ather'sfay atherfay [eadingray omfray etterlay] "asway ornbay inway Otlandscay, erewhay Inglisway isway a ommoncay amenay…ehay amecay otay ethay Unitedway Atesstay asway a abybay…ouryay ather'sfay othermay asway ornbay inway Onnecticutcay, utbay I on'tday owknay uchmay aboutway ethay amilyfay. Ishay atherfay asway Enryhay Ickday Inglisway." Andway enthay eshay oesgay onway aboutway erhay amilyfay.
GJ: Andway alsoway omeplacesay I owknay aboutway allway ymay ather'sfay othersbray. I inkthay ehay adhay ostlymay othersbray.
SL: Osay anywayway ouryay Andfathergray Inglisway andway andmothergray ereway ivinglay inway anotherway artpay ofway Iddletownmay.
GJ: Esyay, I ancay icturepay ethay aceplay… I inkthay itway ightmay ebay Illiamway Eetstray.
SL: Andway oday ouyay ememberray atwhay ouryay Andfathergray Inglisway idday orfay a ivinglay?
GJ: Onay, I on'tday.
SL: Asway ehay etiredray atway ethay imetay ouyay isitedvay imhay? Ohway, erhapspay ouyay idn'tday evenway owknay imhay.
GJ: Onay, ehay iedday. I idn'tday owknay imhay.
SL: I antway otay ickstay otay ingsthay ouyay ememberray. Eway ancay ogay ackbay otay ingsthay atthay areway onway aperpay afterwardsway. Osay, et'slay etgay ackbay otay ethay arcay. Atwhay ypetay ofway arcay idday ouryay amilyfay avehay enwhay ouyay ereway oungyay?
GJ: I inkthay itway asway a Uickbay.
SL: OK. Oday ouyay owknay enwhay ethay amilyfay irstfay acquiredway a arcay? Orway asway itway eforebay ouyay ereway ornbay?
GJ: Itway asway erethay omfray ymay earliestway emoriesmay.
SL: OK. Andway ouryay atherfay ouldway ertainlycay avehay otay ivedray itequay a itbay, ouldn'tway ehay?
GJ: Esyay, andway eway adhay a ottagecay onway a akelay erewhay eway entway, andway eway ovedray a onglay ountrycay oadray otay etgay erethay. Ethay arcay adhay a oundray ingthay onway ethay ontfray erewhay ethay oodhay ornamentway ouldway ebay, onlyway itway asway a ermometerthay. Itway oiledbay overway, ethay arcay oiledbay overway. Omfray enthay onway I asway alwaysway ervousnay aboutway eeingsay atthay ermometerthay ogay upway.
SL: At'sthay omethingsay atthay omeonesay owhay owsknay aboutway arscay ouldway ebay ableway otay elateray otay. I ightmay evenway askway Aveday [Ohnsonjay] enwhay ermometersthay onway ethay ontsfray ofway oodshay ereway inway useway andway owhay onglay. Osay erethay asway onay Ordfay inway ethay amilyfay. Ouyay on'tday ememberray avinghay a Odelmay T orway a Odelmay A aroundway.
GJ: Onay. Ifway ouyay antway otay owknay isthay (opstay emay ifway ouyay on'tday), enwhay ymay atherfay andway othermay ereway ourtingcay ehay iredhay a orsehay andway arriagecay otay aketay ymay othermay outway andway atthay asway a igbay eventway orfay emthay. I uessgay ey'dthay eenbay onway ootfay otherway anthay atthay.
SL: Atway ethay imetay ehay asway a udgejay ehay adhay otay ommutecay otay Artfordhay, essentiallyway.
GJ: Enwhay ehay asway a udgejay ehay adhay otay oday isthay allway ybay arcay: ehay ouldway oldhay ourtcay inway allway ethay ifferentday ountycay eatssay.
SL: Ohway, esyay. Osay ehay ouldway ogay otay eachway ofway ethay ountycay eatssay.
GJ: Esyay, ehay ouldway ogay otay Instedway. … Ometimessay itway asway a onglay ivedray. Enwhay ehay asway onway ethay Upremesay Ourtcay, enthay itway asway Artfordhay.
SL: OK, andway oday ouyay ememberray anythingway oremay aboutway isthay ottagecay onway a akelay? Atwhay irectionday itway asway inway?
GJ: I owknay eway artedstay oinggay outhwestsay outway ofway Iddletownmay. Itway asway a ortsay ofway iftgay. Erethay asway a amilyfay atthay ownedway a olewhay akelay, andway ymay atherfay idday omesay indkay ofway avorfay orfay ethay anmay, eythay ereway ichray eoplepay andway inway exchangeway orfay atwhay ymay atherfay adhay oneday, eythay offeredway usway a ancechay otay uildbay a ottagecay onway eirthay akelay. Itway asn'tway a aceplay erewhay eway ayedstay overnightway; itway asway ustjay oneway uildingbay ithway a artitionpay ustjay a aceplay otay angechay intoway ouryay athingbay uitsay. Andway itway adhay a orchpay erewhay ouyay ouldcay eatway a icnicpay andway erethay asway a irefay outway onway ethay eachbay. Andway eway ovedlay itway.
SL: Ohway, osay ouyay entway orfay ayday ipstray onlyway. Ou'dyay ackpay upway ethay immingsway ogstay andway ogay outway otay ethay ottagecay andway avehay a arbecuebay andway omecay ackbay.
GJ: Eahyay, avehay a imsway, eway adhay a anoecay erethay. Ethay adbay artpay aboutway itway asway atthay ymay othermay asway osay egariousgray atthay eshay alwaysway antedway otay inviteway otherway eoplepay otay omecay ithway usway. I alwaysway ishedway atthay ethay amilyfay ouldcay ogay ybay ourselvesway utbay ethay onlyway imestay eway everway entway ybay ourselvesway ereway inway ethay ingspray andway ethay allfay otay eanclay itway upway. Itway asway alwaysway eoplepay.
SL: I eesay. I idn'tday ealizeray owhay egariousgray eshay asway. I on'tday inkthay ouyay entionedmay itway eforebay. Andway ereway erethay otherway acesplay atthay ouyay especiallyway ikedlay otay ogay inway ethay ummertimesay?
GJ: Eythay usedway otay entray a ottagecay orfay a onthmay atway Elseykay Ointpay, ethay onthmay ofway Augustway. At'sthay ethay easonray Arionmay andway Eryckday orfay anymay earsyay entedray andway enthay oughtbay a ottagecay atway Elseykay Ointpay.
SL: Asway ethay ottagecay erewhay eythay ivedlay ethay amesay asway ethay oneway Arionmay andway Eryckday entedray?
GJ: Ethay answerway isway onay. Asway ouyay owknay, Arionmay andway Eryckday entedray oneway ottagecay andway ownedway anotherway. Eway evernay entedray eitherway ofway osethay. Eway entedray othersway.
SL: Andway ouyay erhapspay ovedmay aroundway, entedray oneway ousehay oneway earyay andway anotherway oneway anotherway earyay?
GJ: Esyay.
SL: Andway ethay olewhay amilyfay entway ownday erethay?
GJ: Eahyay.
SL: Ouldway ouryay atherfay avehay otay ogay otay ishay ifferentday ourtscay inway ifferentday ownstay?
GJ: mmay-hmay. Ehay idday. Eythay idn'tday oldhay ourtcay inway Augustway.
SL: Ohway, osay ifway ouyay entedray inway Augustway ehay idn'tday avehay otay ogay.
GJ: Onay, utbay I owknay ometimessay ehay idday avehay otay ogay otay ourtcay. Aybemay ehay idday ommutingcay enwhay ehay asway illstay a awyerlay eforebay oinggay onway ethay enchbay.
SL: Andway atwhay ereway ishay obbieshay? Atwhay idday ehay useway otay occupyway ishay arespay imetay? Eway alkedtay aboutway ethay ottagecay…
GJ: Onlyway ethay awlay. Ehay elongedbay otay atwhay asway alledcay ethay Onversationalcay Ubclay.
SL: Ethay Onversationalcay Ubclay?
GJ: Eahyay, atthay asway a igbay ingthay inway eirthay iveslay. Oneway earyay ethay embers'may ivesway ouldway avehay otay entertainway; I eanmay, Othermay ouldway avehay otay entertainway ethay olewhay oupgray. Ymay atherfay ouldway avehay otay ivegay emthay a aperpay; atthay isway, eythay alternatedway.
SL: Itway oundssay a ittlelay ikelay Oastmasterstay.
GJ: Obablypray. I avehay oneway ofway ymay ather'sfay aperspay atthay ehay idday onway Erupay.
SL: Eallyray.
GJ: I alwaysway eantmay otay owshay itway otay ouyay. Enwhay ymay othermay adhay otay avehay ethay onversationalcay oupgray, ethay olewhay amilyfay adhay otay etgay ogethertay andway olishpay ilversay andway etsay ethay ablestay.
SL: Esyay, I uessgay ethay aidmay ouldn'tcay oday itway allway ybay erselfhay.
GJ: At'sthay ightray. I inkthay eythay otgay inway anway extraway oneway otay ervesay.
SL: Idday ouyay ogay artherfay afieldway anytimeway eforebay ouyay entway otay ighhay oolschay? Orway asway atthay onlyway aterlay?
GJ: Ellway, enwhay I asway elevenway earsyay oldway, ymay othermay andway atherfay andway dray. andway mrsay. Edelchay andway ethay ildrenchay allway entway acrossway ethay ountrycay.
SL: At'sthay ightray. I ememberray ouryay owingshay emay icturespay ofway atthay. Andway owhay onglay idday ouyay avehay orfay atthay? A onthmay?
GJ: Otway onthsmay atway eastlay, ethay ummersay.
SL: 1931, enthay.
GJ: At'sthay ightray.
SL: Andway dray. Edelchay asway a edicalmay octorday?
GJ: Esyay, ehay asway ourway amilyfay octorday ootay, andway iendsfray, oodgay iendsfray. Eythay ereway iendsfray ithway ethay Edelschay andway ithway ethay inistermay andway ishay ifeway, ithway allway ofway emthay. Eythay ereway egariousgray erethay ootay. Ohway, andway eway adhay anway institutionway alledcay ethay Offeecay Ubclay inway ethay afternoonsway. Everyway Aturdaysay afternoonway eoplepay ouldway avehay ethay estray ofway emthay inway orfay offeecay andway onutsday. I on'tday owknay owhay everybodyway anagedmay otay oday ethay amesay ingthay everyway Aturdaysay, utbay omfray ivefay otay evensay at'sthay atwhay eythay ereway oingday.
SL: Esyay, I upposesay isthay asway a eriodpay enwhay alreadyway ethay orkweekway asway ustjay ivefay aysday. Itway asway ettypray ellway efinedday orfay ouryay amilyfay andway ishay associatesway asway ivefay aysday.
GJ: Onay ecausebay evenway enwhay I entway otay orkway inway 1942 I asway orkingway Aturdaysay orningsmay.
SL: Ohway, idday ouryay atherfay ogay andway oldhay ourtcay onway Aturdaysay orningsmay?
GJ: Onay. Ostmay eoplepay orkedway Aturdaysay orningsmay. I on'tday owknay etherwhay ehay idday orway otnay.
SL: I eesay. Anywayway, Aturdaysay afternoonsway ereway eefray, andway allway ayday Undaysay. Osay ou'dyay ebay ableway otay oday ingsthay onway Aturdayssay ikelay ethay Offeecay Ubclay orway ethay Onversationcay Ubclay. Andway I upposesay erethay asn'tway eryvay uchmay elseway otay oday onway Aturdaysay afternoonsway andway Undayssay.
GJ: At'sthay uetray; eway istenedlay otay operaway onway ethay adioray. Everyway Aturdaysay afternoonway eway ouldcay istenlay otay operaway onway ethay adioray. I idn'tday ikelay itway, yselfmay.
SL: Enthay erethay asway usicmay; ouyay entionedmay atthay. Arionmay ouldcay alwaysway ayplay andway ouyay ouldcay alwaysway ingsay.
GJ: Aturdaysay afternoonsway asway operaway; Undaysay afternoonsway asway ymphonysay.
SL: Atthay asway onway ethay adioray. Ouldway osethay ebay ethay onlyway ingsthay ouyay ereway ikelylay otay istenlay otay onway ethay adioray uringday a eekway, orway ouldway ouyay alsoway istenlay otay eveningway ogramspray?
GJ: Eway ustmay avehay istenedlay otay eveningway ogramspray. I on'tday ememberray isteninglay otay eveningway ogramspray onway ethay adioray. I oday ememberray atthay enwhay Arionmay andway Omtay andway I ereway eenagerstay eway ouldway uybay ecordsray andway ayplay emthay onway ethay onographphay onway ethay orchpay andway anceday.
SL: Esethay ouldway ebay 78s?
GJ: Eahyay, 78s. Eventysay-ivefay entscay.
SL: I eesay, andway eythay ustmay avehay adhay ewnay ancesday atthay ouldway omecay outway andway ouyay acticedpray ethay ewnay ancesday?
GJ: Eway ademay upway ancesday.
SL: Ellway, Ericaway andway Elizabethway oday atthay ownay.
GJ: Omesay ingsthay aystay ethay amesay, on'tday eythay?
SL: I uessgay at'sthay airlyfay edictablepray. Ouyay ustmay avehay alsoway earnedlay aboutway ifferentday ancesday atthay ecamebay opularpay.
GJ: Esyay. Orothyday aughttay emay ethay Indylay.
SL: Ohway? Owhay idday eshay owknay itway?
GJ: Ancingday oolschay.
SL: Idday eshay ogay otay ancingday oolschay ettypray egularlyray?
GJ: I on'tday owknay aboutway erhay. Atthay asway a igbay artpay ofway ymay ifelay. I entway otay ancingday oolschay onceway a eekway
SL: Andway asway isthay ouplescay ancingday?
GJ: Itway asway othbay. Aybemay otnay atway ethay amesay imetay, utbay Aturdaysay orningsmay itway ouldway ebay alletbay, aptay, andway atthay indkay ofway uffstay. Enthay Idayfray eveningsway itway ouldway ebay ocialsay ancingday. I asway osay alltay. Eway ouldway inelay upway, andway I ouldway oftenway etgay eftlay ancingday ithway anotherway alltay irlgay.
SL: Ecausebay ouyay ereway aheadway ofway ethay oysbay inway owthgray.
GJ: Esyay, oneway asway articularlypay ortshay, Aulpay Ampcay. E'shay illstay ivinglay, andway Illway Oyfay illstay eessay imhay, utbay I on'tday. Ehay iveslay inway Ainemay. I ememberray eingbay ithway imhay, andway ehay adhay otay oldhay emay aroundway ethay aistway, andway ehay adhay otay eanlay outway aroundway ethay idesay ofway emay otay eesay erewhay ehay asway oinggay.
SL: Eahyay, I eesay inway ethay ighhay oolschay icturepay atthay ouyay ereway ethay allesttay oneway inway ethay Ournalists'jay Uildgay. Andway erethay ustmay avehay eenbay a ortageshay ofway uitablesay oysbay orfay esethay ancingday assesclay anywayway; it'sway alwaysway eenbay ardhay. Ere'sthay anotherway ingthay atthay evernay angeschay. Anyway otherway ancesday atthay ouyay ememberray?
GJ: Ellway, I entway otay a ouplecay ofway omspray inway ighhay oolschay.
SL: Eahyay, I'mway ustjay inkingthay ofway ethay earlyway aysday, ethay ammargray oolschay aysday.
GJ: Onay, I on'tday ememberray.
SL: Anyway otherway usicmay atthay ouyay ememberray omfray enthay?
GJ: Onay… Eway adhay usicmay appreciationway inway ammargray oolschay ithway Alterway Amroschday, I on'tday owknay ifway ou'veyay eardhay ofway imhay.
SL: Ohway, uresay. Andway Alterway Amroschday ouldway oday ethay ymphonysay ogramspray onway ethay Undaysay ymphoniessay atthay ouyay ouldway istenlay otay, ightray?
GJ: I on'tday inkthay osay. I inkthay ethay onlyway imetay Alterway Amroschday onnectedcay ithway emay asway inway oolschay.
[Atthay asway ethay endway ofway ethay apetay. Eway ontinuedcay onway anotherway ayday ithway ethay ollowingfay onversationcay.]
GJ: Ellway, itway asway inway ethay ingspray ofway 1942 atthay I etmay Eedray. I'mway artingstay ackbay, utbay ettypray oonsay I'llway etgay otay Orldway Arway II.
SL: Ellway, Orldway Arway II artedstay eforebay enthay. Atwhay ouldway ouyay earhay aboutway itway?
GJ: Ohway, I ememberray idingray inway ethay arcay omfray Artfordhay otay Iddletownmay enwhay I eardhay atthay ethay Ermansgay adhay invadedway Ancefray, andway I eltfay, atwhay allshay I aysay? Ismalday. Andway I uessgay ethay extnay ingthay asway atthay erethay asway atthay Undaysay afternoonway enwhay eway ereway isteninglay otay ethay ymphonysay. Itway asway interruptedway otay aysay atthay ethay Apanesejay adhay ombedbay Earlpay Arborhay. Atthay angedchay everythingway. Eforebay atthay I asway oinggay otay ecretarialsay oolschay inway Ewnay Avenhay andway omingcay omehay eekendsway ithway Arionmay. Eshay asway orkingway atway Aleyay andway eway ereway ivinglay ithway anotherway irlgay inway anway apartmentway. Osay I ememberray atthay Undaysay andway ealizingray atthay-ellway, I ewknay atthay itway ouldway affectway Omtay ethay ostmay. I adn'thay evenway etmay Eedray enthay. Osay at'sthay enwhay itway artedstay. Osay enthay I aduatedgray omfray oolschay, andway …
SL: Osay atwhay otherway effectsway ouldway itway avehay adhay onway ouyay? Idday ouyay owknay anyway otherway oungyay enmay atthay ouyay expectedway otay ebay alledcay upway ybay ethay aftdray?
GJ: I idday owknay a oungyay anmay atthay I adhay etmay inway ethay ummersay ofway '41. Atthay asway a airlyfay erioussay ingthay. Andway afterway Earlpay Arborhay ehay oonsay entway intoway ethay Armyway. Ehay asway itingwray emay uringday ethay ingspray ofway '42 andway entway inway asway a ivatepray andway ecamebay a orporalcay ettypray oonsay. Ehay otewray emay oughthray ethay ummersay, utbay I etmay Eedray, andway ymay etterslay otay imhay ereway ettinggay oremay andway oremay arsespay. Andway ustjay atway ethay imetay I otgay engagedway otay Eedray, I uessgay inway Eptembersay ofway '42, Edtay asway ueday otay omecay omehay onway eavelay, andway I otewray imhay I uessgay otay ishay omehay inway Ostonbay atthay I adhay ottengay engagedway, andway ehay otewray emay ackbay a eryvay angryway etterlay ayingsay atthay allway ethay ayway omehay onway ethay aintray ehay asway inkingthay aboutway ethay engagementway ingray e'dhay uybay orfay emay. Ehay oldtay emay inway ethay ummersay atthay ehay idn'tday objectway otay ymay oinggay outway ithway Eedray, utbay ehay opedhay itway ouldn'tway eepkay imhay omfray itingwray. Amway I ettinggay ootay etailedday?
SL: Erewhay asway isthay otherway ellowfay, Edtay, ervingsay?
GJ: I on'tday ememberray; ustjay ainplay Armyway, omeplacesay inway ethay Outhsay.
SL: Osay ehay asway inway ainingtray omewheresay inway ethay Unitedway Atesstay.
GJ: Esyay.
SL: Andway atwhay otherway effectsway ereway erethay onway ouyay? Inway earlyway 1942, ouyay aidsay itway angedchay ingsthay.
GJ: Erethay asway oodfay ationingray. I on'tday owknay exactlyway enwhay itway artedstay, utbay ymay othermay andway atherfay entspay a onglay imetay ownday inway ethay ellarcay. Ouyay adhay otay eportray owhay uchmay annedcay oodsgay ouyay adhay onway andhay, andway itway asway Other'smay abithay otay ockstay upway a otlay onway annedcay oodsgay inway ethay ummersay inway ethay allfay (?) enwhay icespray ereway owlay, andway useway itway oughthray ethay interway. Andway enwhay ationingray artedstay, eythay entspay a onglay imetay ownday inway ethay ellarcay itingwray ownday atwhay eythay adhay, andway eythay adhay 293 anscay, andway itway amecay outway inway ethay aperpay atthay enwhay ationingray artedstay oneway amilyfay adhay 293 anscay. [GJ aterlay angedchay isthay; eshay aidsay itway ouldshay avehay eenbay 193.] Itway ookedlay asway ifway eythay adhay eenbay oardinghay, utbay itway asway Other'smay usualway acticepray. Utbay ethay aperpay ademay itway ooklay asway ifway ey'dthay artedstay oardinghay ecausebay ethay arway asway omingcay. Utbay itway idn'tday ivegay eirthay amesnay.
SL: At'sthay oodgay.
GJ: Enthay eway artedstay avinghay asgay ationingray; enthay ymay otherbray adhay otay ogay inway oneway imetay, enwhay I asway illstay inway ecretarialsay oolschay, andway ehay etlay emay avehay ishay arcay, anway oldway Ordfay. Osay eway adhay asgay ationingray enthay. Erethay asway alwaysway ufficientsay asgay orfay ymay eedsnay, evenway inway ethay arway enwhay Eedray asway onegay andway I adhay ethay abybay andway I asway ivinglay inway Iddletownmay andway ivingdray otay Orestvillefay otay isitvay ometimessay. Erethay asway enoughway asgay orfay emay inway ethay ationingray.
SL: Osay ouyay ovedray otay Orestvillefay insteadway ofway akingtay olleystray orway usesbay?
GJ: I idday, esyay.
SL: OK, osay ethay asgay ationingray idn'tday eallyray affectway ouyay. Ethay oodfay ationingray: idday ouyay etgay ouryay ownway ationray enwhay ouyay ereway ivinglay ybay ourselfyay, orway idday ouyay ustjay eatway atway omehay andway ivelay underway ouryay amily'sfay?
GJ: I adhay ymay ownway ationingray, utbay enwhay I entway otay anway apartmentway enthay I ooktay atthay ithway emay. Igarettescay ereway arcescay, utbay inway atthay apartmentway atway ethay ocerygray orestay onway ethay ornercay erewhay ymay othermay adhay alwaysway onegay eythay ewknay emay, andway ey'dthay ietlyquay utpay inway otway ackspay a eekway, ichwhay asway oremay anthay I eedednay, utbay eythay idn'tday antway otherway eoplepay otay owknay, ecausebay igarettescay ereway osay arcescay. Andway anywayway, I antedway otay uildbay upway a upplysay, owingknay atthay I ouldway ebay inway ethay ospitalhay afterway I adhay ethay abybay andway otnay ettinggay aroundway osay uchmay. Utbay anywayway at'sthay ootay alestay.
SL: Ohway, I eesay. Osay allway ethay ingsthay ikelay utterbay andway eamcray, idday ouyay avehay otay acklay orfay osethay atway allway?
GJ: I ardlyhay everway adhay anyway utterbay, I on'tday ememberray avinghay anyway utterbay. Eway adhay otay uybay argarinemay, andway eway adhay otay ixmay itway upway. Itway asway a ittlelay orechay atthay I adhay, ixingmay ethay argarinemay. Itway asway a ittlelay ubblebay ofway ellowyay, andway ou'dyay avehay otay aketay ouryay andshay andway ixmay itway andway ixmay itway untilway itway ookedlay ikelay utterbay. Andway eatmay asway ationedray, utbay I otgay ufficientsay.
SL: Andway idday ouyay aketay artpay inway anythingway ikelay avingssay ondbay effortsway, orway etalmay ecyclingray?
GJ: Esyay, eway adhay otay ecycleray everythingway, andway I idday atthay omfray atthay apartmentway, andway I avehay a icturepay ofway atthay, I on'tday owknay erewhay ethay icturepay isway. Atwhay otherway idday ouyay askway? Ohway, I idday uybay arway ondsbay. Eedray entsay emay oneymay, orway ethay Armyway entsay emay oneymay, andway I oughtbay otslay ofway arway ondsbay. Oneway imetay I atsay inway ethay obbylay ofway a eaterthay ithway anotherway irlgay ymay ageway, andway eway oldsay ampsstay asway eoplepay entway inway.
SL: Enwhay idday ouyay aduategray omfray ollegecay, ichwhay earyay?
GJ: Ortyfay-oneway.
SL: Andway inway ethay allfay ofway '41 ouyay ereway inway ecretarialsay oolschay inway Ewnay Avenhay? Andway at'sthay enwhay ouyay etmay Eryckday orfay ethay irstfay imetay. Isway atthay ightray?
GJ: I etmay Eryckday orfay ethay irstfay imetay afterway Ilgway asway ornbay, inway 1945. I asway illstay ithway Arionmay utbay I uessgay eshay idn'tday eetmay imhay illtay aterlay.
SL: OK. Osay ouyay ommutedcay otay ecretarialsay oolschay omfray ouryay apartmentway inway Iddletownmay?
GJ: Onay, Arionmay andway I andway a irlgay amednay Eanjay Almerschay ivedlay inway anway apartmentway inway Ewnay Avenhay onway Inwoodlay Avenueway. Utbay eway usuallyway entway omehay Idayfray ightsnay andway ackbay Undaysay ightsnay omfray Iddletownmay. Ometimessay ybay usbay utbay enthay enwhay Omtay eftlay andway etlay emay avehay ishay arcay ometimessay ybay arcay. Ardlyhay everway ybay arcay etweenbay Iddletownmay andway Ewnay Avenhay. I usedway ethay arcay otay ogay otay oolschay ecausebay itway asway a oodgay onglay alkway.
SL: Enwhay idday Omtay eavelay, andway erewhay idday ehay ogay?
GJ: I on'tday owknay erewhay ehay entway. Ehay endedway upway atway Ampaignchay, Illinoisway. Oesday atthay oundsay ightray?
SL: Esyay, Ampaignchay-Urbanaway isway..
GJ: Esyay, Urbanaway oundssay ightray. Ehay asway inway ethay Airway Orcefay utbay ehay idn'tday yflay. Ehay adhay a atchpay onway ishay eeveslay atthay asway ikelay ethay Airway Orcefay, I inkthay. I on'tday owknay. I on'tday inkthay ehay everway entway outway ofway ethay ountrycay. At'sthay ightray, ehay instructedway ilotspay onway ethay Akelay Ainerstray. Avehay ouyay everway eardhay ofway Akelay Ainerstray?
SL: Onay.
GJ: Ellway, it'sway omethingsay ouyay etgay inway andway itway actsway ikelay a aneplay.
SL: Utbay itway oesn'tday eavelay ethay oundgray.
GJ: Onay, itway oesn'tday eavelay ethay oundgray. (aughslay) Onay, itway asway otay eachtay emthay owhay otay yflay. I uessgay ou'dyay owknay omethingsay aboutway atthay.
SL: Ellway, owadaysnay, ofway oursecay, at'sthay allway onway omputercay. Ouyay ookhay upway ingsthay atthay ooklay ikelay a ockpitcay otay a omputercay eenscray, andway oday ethay activitiesway, andway ethay omputercay ashay ogrammedpray intoway itway evenway ethay erraintay, andway ethay airportsway andway osay orthfay, osay ou'llyay eesay ethay orizonhay andway ethay erraintay andway ethay airportsway accordingway otay atwhay ouyay oday onway ethay ontrolscay. Osay I imageway a Inklay Ainertray ustmay avehay eenbay omethingsay ikelay atthay. Otnay omputerizedcay ofway oursecay.
GJ: Ethay Inklay Ainertray idday ovemay aroundway. I'veway eensay esethay ingsthay inway ewsreelsnay, andway eythay iltedtay andway ervedsway andway allway atthay. Eythay eren'tway ationarystay.
SL: I eesay; atway eastlay I'mway yingtray otay eesay. Osay ehay asway a ainertray. Andway atwhay aboutway Andysay andway Orothyday? Atwhay idday eythay oday enwhay ethay arway artedstay inway atelay '41 andway earlyway '42?
GJ: Ellway, eythay ustjay entway otay oolschay, I inkthay, asway arfay asway I ancay ememberray. Ifway I asway 21 andway 22, eythay ouldway avehay eenbay ixsay earsyay underway atthay, inway ighhay oolschay.
SL: Eahyay, eythay ouldway avehay eenbay inway ighhay oolschay.
GJ: I asway inkingthay ofway oinggay onway otay ethay allfay. Eedray andway I otgay engagedway inway ethay allfay, ownay I asway orkingway atway ethay Universityway ofway Onnecticutcay, andway enthay ehay adhay enlistedway inway ethay Airway Orpscay, andway idn'tday owknay enwhay e'dhay ebay alledcay. I eftlay ymay objay aboutway ethay iddlemay ofway Ecemberday andway eway otgay arriedmay ethay iddlemay ofway Anuaryjay. Ehay idday etgay ishay allcay aboutway ivefay orway ixsay eeksway afterway atthay. Ehay entway. Eway ereway ivinglay ithway ishay othermay andway atherfay onway Enneykay Eetstray osethay ixsay eeksway, andway I entway omehay andway amecay ackbay andway isitedvay ometimessay.
SL: Eway ippedskay overway allway ofway 1942 erehay-ethay estray ofway 1942. Ellway, aybemay ethay ationingray andway osay orthfay appliedway otay atthay. Atwhay aboutway eventsway overseasway? Ereway ouyay eeingsay ewsreelsnay aboutway eventsway overseasway andway earinghay aboutway emthay onway ethay adioray andway eeingsay emthay inway ethay ewspapersnay?
GJ: Esyay, allway ofway osethay. I inkthay Edwardway R. Urrowmay asway oadcastingbray omfray Ondonlay enthay. Ishay oadcastsbray ereway amousfay, andway I uessgay ou'veyay eardhay ofway emthay. Ostmay ofway itway asway inway ethay ewsreelsnay andway inway ethay oviesmay. Eythay alwaysway owedshay ingsthay aboutway ethay arway. I ememberray onceway oinggay otay a oviemay ithway ymay othermay andway ymay atherfay, andway itway owedshay ethay invasionway ofway Italyway, andway atthay asway ustificationjay orfay emay ecausebay earlierway ymay atherfay adhay aidsay inway a ornfulscay ayway, "Ethay oungyay enmay owadaysnay areway oftsay." Andway I aidsay otay ymay atherfay afterway eeingsay isthay otshay ofway ethay invasionway ofway Italyway, "Ownay oday ouyay inkthay ey'rethay oftsay?" andway ehay aidsay, "Ellway, ouyay ancay ecomebay ardhay." Atthay icksstay outway inway ymay indmay omfray osethay aysday.
SL: I eesay. Idday ouyay eelfay a ensesay ofway onfidencecay atthay itway asway allway oinggay otay omecay outway allway ightray, orway ereway ouyay aredscay atthay erethay ouldway ebay anway invasionway ofway ourway oresshay? Owhay idday ouyay eelfay itway ouldway omecay outway? Orway erhapspay ouyay idn'tday ormfay anway opinionway.
GJ: Esyay, I oughtthay e'dway inway inway ethay endway, ecausebay I eltfay atthay Odgay asway onway ourway idesay, andway I ewknay itway ouldway ebay onglay andway ardhay, utbay I oughtthay e'dway inway inway ethay endway, I ustjay idn'tday owknay owhay onglay.
SL: Andway ofway oursecay ouyay ustmay avehay eenbay otnay osay onfidentcay aboutway ouryay ovedlay onesway owhay ereway inway ethay arway.
GJ: At'sthay ightray. Erethay asway a imetay enwhay I asway egnantpray, eavilyhay egnantpray asway eythay aysay, andway I idn'tday etgay anyway ailmay omfray Eedray orfay eethray eeksway, andway I oughtthay, "Eythay ightmay asway ellway ingbray ethay elegramtay andway etgay itway overway ithway." Atthay asway ethay ayway ethay ailmay entway. I otgay a olewhay unchbay ofway etterslay.
SL: Actuallyway, Eedray asway ethay onlyway ovedlay oneway ouyay adhay inway ethay arway, asn'tway ehay? Ecausebay Omtay asway inway ethay Unitedway Atesstay, Andysay asway udyingstay, ouryay isterssay ereway inway ethay Unitedway Atesstay, everybodyway asway inway ethay Unitedway Atesstay exceptway Eedray. Osay inway 1942 enwhay asway itway atthay Eedray aduatedgray?
GJ: Ethay eviouspray ingspray.
SL: Unejay 1942.
GJ: I uessgay at'sthay ightray. Esyay, I idn'tday evenway eetmay imhay untilway atthay ingspray, Unejay, andway enthay inway Unejay ehay aduatedgray. Itway ouldshay avehay eenbay inway 1943, utbay ehay entway oughthray inway eethray earsyay.
SL: Asway ehay orkingway onway ishay eniorsay esisthay? I inkthay ehay asway itingwray a eniorsay esisthay onway Arcelmay Oust'spray Emembranceray ofway Ingsthay Astpay.
GJ: Eahyay, utbay I asn'tway awareway ofway itway. I uessgay itway asway allway oneday ybay ethay imetay I etmay imhay.
SL: Osay idday ouyay avehay ethay eelingfay ehay asway erriblytay usybay untilway ehay aduatedgray, orway idday ehay alsoway avehay arespay imetay andway asway ableway otay omecay andway isitvay uringday atthay imetay eforebay ehay aduatedgray?
GJ: Ellway, itway asway atelay ingspray enwhay I etmay imhay. I owknay atthay ourway irstfay ateday asway oinggay otay Akelay Ompouncecay, andway itway asway armway enoughway osay I asn'tway earingway anyway oatcay, onlyway a essdray. Eedray adhay a arcay, andway ymay ousincay Arrylay [Ilkinsonway] introducedway emay otay Eedray, I uessgay I'veway oldtay ouyay isthay eforebay, osay atthay eway ouldcay ogay omeplacesay inway Eed'sray arcay. Osay, itway asway eethray ouplescay ofway usway atthay imetay enwhay Eedray asway ymay ateday. Utbay atthay asway atelay inway ethay ingspray. Andway ethay extnay ingthay atthay appenedhay asway atthay ehay aduatedgray, andway enthay erethay asway ethay anceday orfay ishay aduationgray. Anywayway, I adhay oneway ateday andway enthay ehay asway oughthray ithway Esleyanway.
SL: Ehay idn'tday eemsay otay avehay uchmay ofway a oblempray ithway asgay ationingray, idday ehay?
GJ: Itway aymay otnay avehay artedstay enthay. Eahyay, I inkthay otnay. Anywayway, erethay asn'tway anyway estionquay ofway ourway otnay eingbay ableway otay ogay otay Akelay Ompouncecay. Anythingway ikelay atthay atthay eoplepay antedway otay oday eythay ouldcay oday.
SL: Eahyay, andway osay inway ethay ummersay ofway '42, asway ecretarialsay oolschay oinggay atway atthay imetay?
GJ: Ellway, I inishedfay atelay. Ouyay adhay otay ontinuecay atway oolschay untilway ouyay otgay ouryay ightray eedspay orfay eedwritingspay andway ictatingday, utbay itway ontinuedcay intoway earlyway Ulyjay, utbay enthay I asway eefray. I asway eefray oughthray ethay ummersay andway ettypray oonsay artedstay ookinglay orfay a objay.
SL: Andway atwhay acesplay idday ouyay andway Eedray ogay uringday ethay ummersay?
GJ: Ellway, erethay ereway icnicspay inway Orestvillefay. Ehay adhay iendsfray inway Orestvillefay, andway erethay asway oneway imetay enwhay ehay ooktay emay otay eetmay ishay othermay andway atherfay, andway I uessgay eway ustjay indkay ofway unghay aroundway ithway ishay iendsfray.
SL: Andway ithway ouryay ousincay Arrylay.
GJ: Ellway, Arrylay eftlay Iddletownmay afterway Esleyanway endedway orfay ethay ummersay.
SL: Idday ehay ogay intoway ethay arway?
GJ: Esyay, utbay aterlay. Erethay asway a imetay enwhay Arrylay antedway otay etgay arriedmay, andway eway allway eltfay itway asway ustjay ecausebay Eedray andway I adhay ottengay arriedmay. I ememberray Arrylay-isthay ustmay avehay eenbay enwhay ehay asway ackbay atway Esleyanway afterway ethay ummersay acationvay-avinghay a eavyhay iscussionday ithway ymay othermay. Arrylay antedway otay etgay arriedmay, andway ymay othermay eltfay itway asway ustjay ecausebay ehay awsay Eedray andway emay ettinggay arriedmay. Eshay aidsay otay Arrylay atthay eshay andway ymay atherfay adhay aitedway, I on'tday owknay, earsyay-aybemay eythay ewknay eachway otherway orfay eightway earsyay. Eshay ouldn'tcay askway orfay anyway etterbay arriagemay orfay anyway ofway erhay ildrenchay, andway eshay ountedcay Arrylay asway oneway ofway erhay ildrenchay. Oweverhay, ehay idday eventuallyway etgay arriedmay. Andway ivorcedday. Anymay earsyay aterlay.
SL: I inkthay ouyay oldtay emay eforebay owhay Arrylay inheritedway ethay ampstay ollectioncay omfray ouryay andfathergray.
GJ: Onay, itway asway Uncleway Ilkieway
SL. Ohway, I'mway orrysay, omfray Uncleway Ilkieway. OK. Inway ethay allfay ofway '42 atwhay ereway ouyay oingday andway atwhay asway Eedray oingday?
GJ: I artedstay ymay objay atway ethay Universityway ofway Onnecticutcay, andway itway asway eryvay, eryvay ardhay orfay emay. Itway asway ootay ardhay orfay emay orfay a irstfay objay, andway I'dway ebay orkingway omfray 8 inway ethay orningmay oftenway untilway 7 orway aterlay. Otnay onlyway atthay, utbay ethay ampuscay asway eryvay owdedcray, andway ethay eatingway acilitiesfay eren'tway enoughway, osay orfay unchlay insteadway ofway oinggay omeplacesay andway ittingsay ownday I'dway avehay otay andstay inway a onglay inelay inway a afeteriacay andway onlyway etgay ymay oodfay ustjay inway imetay otay etgay ackbay otay ethay officeway. Onway optay ofway atthay, ymay ossbay, mray. Agenhay-ehay asway ethay ersonnelpay anmay-ehay ooktay onway ethay objay-I uessgay ehay asway ivengay ethay objay-ofway andlinghay ingsthay enwhay ethay ecruitersray amecay otay ecruitray ethay udentsstay. Artpay ofway ymay objay asway ettingsay upway appointmentsway allway ayday andway overseeway esethay appointmentsway andway ethay idskay ouldway omecay inway otay interviewway ethay ecruitersray, andway onway optay ofway atthay-isthay oneway ehay ooktay onway oluntarilyvay-athleticway irectorday. Osay anotherway artpay ofway ethay objay asway ettinggay ushersway orfay ethay Aturdaysay ootballfay amesgay, andway I adhay ollegecay elpershay otay elphay emay. Otnay allway atway onceway utbay ivefay udentsstay underway emay atthay I adhay otay anagemay, osay erhapspay ouyay ancay etgay ethay ideaway atthay itway asway ootay ardhay a objay.
SL: Osay I athergay atthay ouyay idn'tday eallyray avehay imetay otay inkthay aboutway allway ofway ethay internationalway affairsway oinggay onway atway atthay omentmay.
GJ: At'sthay ightray. Esyay, andway anotherway ardhay ingthay asway atthay althoughway Eedray andway I antedway otay ebay ogethertay, erethay asway othingnay eway ouldcay oday atway Orrsstay: onay oviesmay, I adhay a oomray inway a ivatepray ousehay, andway ofway oursecay ehay ouldn'tway avehay eenbay allowedway inway erethay. Allway eway ouldcay oday asway ogay otay ymay officeway andway alktay. Osay atthay asn'tway eryvay atisfactorysay. Osay otay avehay atesday-I orkedway Aturdaysay orningsmay ootay-I ouldway avehay otay ivedray ackbay otay Iddletownmay andway Eedray ouldway omecay otay Iddletownmay, andway Undaysay I'dway avehay otay ivedray ackbay otay Orrsstay.
SL: Osay idday ehay omecay otay Orrsstay ometimessay otay isitvay uringday ethay eekway, orway areway ouyay ustjay ayingsay atthay ifway ehay adhay onegay otay Orrsstay erethay ouldn'tway avehay eenbay anythingway otay oday?
GJ: Otnay uringday ethay eekway, utbay onway eekendsway occasionallyway ehay ouldway omecay, andway itway ouldway eanmay I ouldn'tway avehay otay ackpay upway andway ogay omeplacesay, ichwhay asway a eatgray eliefray. Eahyay, ehay amecay upway omesay eekendsway utbay erethay asway othingnay otay oday utbay itsay inway ymay officeway. Itway asway ootay oldcay otay ogay outway. Itsay inway ymay officeway andway alktay.
SL: OK, andway atwhay asway ehay oingday ethay estray ofway ethay imetay uringday atthay allfay? Ehay asn'tway udyingstay anyway oremay; idday ehay avehay a objay?
GJ: Esyay, ehay asway orkingway orfay ethay Istolbray Esspray. I uessgay ou'veyay eardhay atthay.
SL: Eahyay.
GJ: At'sthay atwhay ehay asway oingday untilway ehay asway alledcay upway.
SL: Ouryay atherfay ecamebay a udgejay inway 1930, isway atthay ightray? At'sthay enwhay ishay ourtcay essionssay inway ifferentday ountycay eatssay artedstay. Atthay ontinuedcay untilway ehay entway onway ethay Upremesay Ourtcay?
GJ: At'sthay ightray. Ehay entway onway ethay Upremesay Ourtcay inway 1952. Onay, ehay ecamebay Iefchay Usticejay inway 1952. Ehay entway onway ethay Upremesay Ourtcay eforebay atthay.
SL: Uringday ethay arway earsyay ehay asway illstay onway ethay Uperiorsay Ourtcay ircuitcay.
GJ: At'sthay ightray. Andway asway orfay asgay, I upposesay ehay adhay a etterbay ationray ardcay. Erethay ereway A andway B andway C andway I asway A. I upposesay ehay adhay B.
SL: Ohway, B asway etterbay anthay A?
GJ: Ouyay otgay oremay asgay ithway B.
SL: Osay, I uessgay e'veway accountedway orfay allway ethay eoplepay eway arecay aboutway uringday ethay allfay ofway '42. (GJ aughslay.) SL: At'swhay unnyfay aboutway atthay?
GJ: It'sway ustjay atthay eway avehay owhay anymay oremay earsyay ofway ethay arway? Andway e'veway akentay, oweverhay onglay itway isway. Eethray artersquay ofway anway ourhay. Ehay asn'thay evenway eftlay.
SL: Enwhay idday ouyay etgay engagedway?
GJ: Inway Ovembernay ofway '42.
SL: OK, andway enthay erethay ereway ethay olidayshay andway enthay ouyay otgay arriedmay, andway enthay ixsay eeksway aterlay ehay asway alledcay upway. Erewhay asway ehay alledcay upway otay?
GJ: Ehay entway offway onway a aintray. I inkthay ehay entway otay Ortfay Evensday; I'mway otnay uresay. Afterway ishay initialway aceplay, ehay entway otay Ashvillenay, Ennesseetay, andway I entway otay Ashvillenay.
SL: Enwhay asway atthay andway owhay onglay asway atthay?
GJ: I on'tday ememberray, eallyray.
SL: Adhay ehay ecidedday ehay asway oinggay otay ebay anway airmanway alreadyway?
GJ: Esyay, ehay entway intoway ethay Airway Orpscay andway inway aterlay earsyay oldtay emay ecausebay ehay oughtthay e'dhay avehay oremay eedomfray, andway ehay antedway otay ebay a ilotpay ostmay ofway allway. Oesday atthay answerway atwhay ouyay adhay askedway?
SL: Eahyay, andway inway actfay ouyay adhay answeredway itway eforebay ecausebay ehay enlistedway orfay ethay Armyway Airway Orpscay ackbay enwhay ehay irstfay enlistedway inway '42. Atthay asway alreadyway etsay.
GJ: Aymay I elltay ouyay omethingsay elseway aboutway enlistingway? Oneway ofway ethay ingsthay eway idday atthay ummersay. Itway asway a oodgay ideaway ehay adhay. Eway entway otay Anglewoodtay; ehay ooktay Arionmay andway emay upway otay ethay Erkshiresbay, andway eway entway aroundway andway oundfay a oomingray ousehay, andway enwhay ehay asway ithway Arionmay andway emay upway atway Anglewoodtay, ehay aidsay, "Ellway, I oldtay ymay othermay andway atherfay astlay ightnay I'dway enlistedway inway ethay Airway Orpscay andway itway entway overway ikelay a eadlay uckday." Eythay idn'tday ikelay itway atway allway. Ishay othermay aidsay omethingsay ikelay isthay, "Ooklay atway atwhay ouryay on'ssay oneday." Ecausebay I inkthay eythay oughtthay itway asway oremay angerousday.
SL: I uessgay erethay asway onay ayway ofway ellingtay ichwhay anchbray ofway ethay ervicesay asway oremay angerousday atway atthay ointpay, asway erethay?
GJ: Utbay, ifway ehay adn'thay enlistedway, ehay ouldway avehay erhapspay adhay ongerlay untilway ehay asway alledcay, a ittlelay ongerlay.
SL: Utbay itway oundssay asway ifway atwhay eythay ereway inkingthay asway atthay eythay ouldway avehay eferredpray imhay otay enlistway inway omesay otherway anchbray ofway ethay ervicesay erewhay ethay urvivalsay ateray asway eatergray, ateverwhay atthay ightmay avehay eenbay.
GJ: At'sthay itway, at'sthay itway.
SL: Andway atwhay asway ishay atestay ofway indmay enwhay ehay entway offway otay Ortfay Evensday orway enwhay ehay entway otay Ashvillenay?
GJ: Itway asway oodgay. Ehay idn'tday eaddray itway. I on'tday owknay etherwhay ehay asway exactlyway appyhay aboutway itway, utbay I inkthay ehay asway adglay otay ebay inway ethay Airway Orpscay, andway adglay otay etgay atthay aitingway overway ithway. I inkthay at'sthay aboutway itway.
SL: Ofway oursecay, isthay asway a epstay owardtay adulthoodway orfay imhay ootay, ecausebay ehay adhay evernay eenbay oremay anthay anway ourhay awayway omfray ishay arents'pay ousehay eforebay enthay. Idday ehay omecay everyway eekendway enwhay ehay asway inway Esleyanway, orway ostmay eekendsway?
GJ: I on'tday inkthay ehay idday atthay. Ehay adhay eenbay artherfay awayway omfray ishay arentspay; ehay entway otay ampcay. Oday ouyay antway otay earhay aboutway atthay?
SL: Onay, et'slay ipskay atthay ownay.
GJ: Andway Ilbrahamway.
SL: OK, Ilbrahamway. Osay itway asn'tway osay uchmay ofway a epstay. Andway owhay onglay asway ehay inway Ennesseetay?
GJ: I uessgay aboutway otway onthsmay. Andway enthay eythay ippedshay imhay omeplacesay. I an'tcay ememberray erewhay; oday ouyay antway emay otay ytray otay inkthay?
SL: Ellway, ifway ouyay ereway inway Ashvillenay, idday ouyay ollowfay imhay otay ethay extnay aceplay ehay otgay ostedpay?
GJ: Ellway, I idn'tday ecausebay I ememberray eway adhay anway unhappyway oodbyegay, andway I otgay onway a aintray andway amecay orthnay. I uessgay itway asway a asecay ofway aitingway untilway I ewknay ethay extnay aceplay ehay asway oinggay otay ebay. I inkthay ethay extnay aceplay I entway asway Ortfay Yersmay. Atthay asway ilotpay ainingtray. Osay I entway ownday otay Ortfay Yersmay
SL: OK, osay ehay asway illstay anningplay otay ebay a ilotpay enwhay ehay entway otay Ortfay Yersmay.
GJ: Esyay.
SL: I eesay. Andway owhay idday ouyay eelfay aboutway avelingtray aroundway ikelay atthay? Asway atthay eryvay ifficultday inway osethay aysday?
GJ: Itway asway ardhay, esyay. Itway asway almostway impossibleway-eryvay ifficultday otay etgay a erthbay orfay overnightway. Osay ometimessay I adhay otay eepslay allway ightnay onway a owdedcray aintray. Ometimessay I adhay otay itsay onway a uitcasesay onway a owdedcray aintray, onway ymay uitcasesay. Osay itway asway ardhay.
SL: Ohway esyay, ouyay ustmay avehay adhay overnightway ipstray otay Ashvillenay andway ackbay, andway enthay otay Oridaflay. Idday ouyay avehay oubletray ettinggay ontoway a aintray, atthay isway, eingbay ableway otay etgay anyway aceplay atway allway onway a aintray?
GJ: Ouyay alwaysway adhay ethay ervousnessnay ofway otnay owingknay etherwhay ou'dyay etgay a eatsay orway otnay, utbay usuallyway ou'dyay etgay a eatsay.
SL: Andway asway isthay ethay irstfay imetay ou'dyay eenbay otay ethay Outhsay? Uringday ouryay iptray acrossway ethay ountrycay, I on'tday ecallray ouryay ellingtay emay anythingway aboutway ethay Outhsay.
GJ: I on'tday ecallray oinggay otay ethay Outhsay. I on'tday inkthay eway idday, inway atthay iptray acrossway ethay ountrycay. I owknay eway amecay omehay ybay ethay Eatgray Akeslay.
SL: Anythingway aboutway ethay Outhsay: ifferenceday inway ustomscay atthay ouyay oundfay enwhay ouyay ereway erethay? Attitudeway owardtay ethay ilitarymay orway anythingway?
GJ: Ellway, I'llway elltay ouyay oneway ingthay enwhay eway ereway inway Ouisianalay, Eedray andway I entway otay urchchay andway entway otay omesay indkay ofway eveningway eetingmay, itway asway a iscussionday aboutway owhay eythay ereway eatingtray ethay Egroesnay. Eythay oughtthay eythay ereway oingday ettypray ellway aboutway eatingtray ethay Egroesnay. Afterwardway Eedray aidsay ehay eltfay ikelay ayingsay, "Enthay ywhay otnay etlay emthay etgay otay ethay ontfray ofway ethay usbay?" I ememberray ethay atmosphereway, utbay othingnay otay aysay aboutway itway.
SL: OK. Enwhay ouyay entway otay Oridaflay, itway asway ettinggay onway ummersay, ightray? Itway ustmay avehay eenbay ettypray othay.
GJ: Itway asway othay. Atthay asway a oblempray
SL: It'sway ardhay otay yflay inway othay eatherway.
GJ: Ohway?
SL: Eahyay, inway othay, umidhay eatherway.
GJ: Ellway, anotherway irlgay andway I ouldway ometimessay ogay otay ethay USO andway eshay antedway otay ogay otay ethay eachbay a otlay. Ohway, itway asway atelay ummersay ecausebay eshay asway oinggay otay ogay omehay inway Eptembersay, andway eshay antedway a antay. I avehay a icturepay ofway erhay andway emay atway ethay eachbay. At'sthay Ottyday Eetelay andway emay atway ethay eachbay inway Ortfay Yersmay. Isthay isway Ettybay andway Obertray Eelay. Isthay isway outsideway ethay ousehay-isthay isway ethay oomray I adhay.
SL: Atway Ortfay Yersmay.
GJ: Orrysay, atway Onroemay, Ouisianalay. Enwhay ehay ashedway outway ofway ethay ilotpay ainingtray, enthay ehay entway otay Onroemay, Ouisianalay orfay avigationnay ainingtray.
SL: Owhay idday ouyay earnlay ehay adhay ashedway outway ofway ilotpay ainingtray?
GJ: I uessgay ehay amecay omehay-onceway againway, itway asway a oomray inway a ivatepray ousehay-andway oldtay emay andway atthay e'dhay ebay oinggay otay Onroemay. Andway atway atthay eryvay imetay, I asway icksay. Anotherway ifeway inway atthay amesay ousehay adhay antedway otay eatway omehay. Itway idday etgay eryvay iresometay eatingway inway estaurantsray. Eythay ereway osay understaffedway, ou'dyay avehay otay aitway andway aitway otay etgay a oonspay. Itway asway uchsay a eliefray otay etgay omehay andway ifway I antedway a oonspay I ouldcay etgay upway andway etgay itway insteadway ofway yingtray otay etgay a aitress'way attentionway. Anywayway, I'veway orgottenfay erhay amenay, itway ightmay ebay Eckybay. Eshay oughtbay uffstay, andway oneway ofway ethay ingsthay eshay oughtbay asway utterbay. Itway ustmay avehay eenbay utterbay atway atthay imetay. Andway eway idn'tday avehay anyway efrigerationray andway itway otgay eryvay othay. Ethay utterbay eltedmay andway I inkthay atthay utterbay otgay adbay. I asway icksay atway ethay imetay atthay Eedray aidsay ehay adhay otay ogay otay Onroemay, Ouisianalay, osay Eedray entway onway aheadway andway I adhay otay aitway a ewfay aysday untilway I otgay ellway. Osay ehay entway otay Ashvillenay irstfay. I entway ybay yselfmay. Eway ereway inway Ashvillenay icetway. I inkthay Ashvillenay asway ustjay a assificationclay aceplay, andway enthay eythay entsay imhay otay Onroemay, ithway a eavelay irstfay.
SL: Ohway, osay ouyay idn'tday ogay awayway orway anythingway enwhay ehay asway onway eavelay. Ouyay idn'tday ogay omehay?
GJ: Ometimessay eway entway omehay. Ohway, ehay aduatedgray omfray avigationnay inway Onroemay, andway eythay entsay imhay outway otay Exastay. Enwhay ehay otgay otay Exastay eythay eren'tway eadyray orfay imhay, osay at'sthay enwhay ehay adhay a otway-eekway eavelay, andway eway entway omehay enthay.
SL: Ownay a ouplecay ofway onthsmay agoway ou'dyay oldtay Ancynay andway emay aboutway imestay enwhay ouyay ouldway aitway outsideway ethay encefay orway omethingsay. Atthay asway inway Exastay asn'tway itway?
GJ: Onay, atthay asway inway Onroemay.
SL: Eedray andway omesay uddiesbay orway omethingsay ouldway eaksnay outway; orway asway itway ustjay Eedray?
GJ: I'llway elltay ouyay againway. Ethay ivesway ereway allowedway otay omecay onway ethay ostpay everyway otherway ightnay orway eethray ightsnay a eekway, andway I inkthay itway asway everyway otherway ightnay, osay onway everyway otherway eekendway e'dhay ouldway ebay ableway otay omecay intoway owntay. Ethay usbandhay adhay otay equestray a asspay andway ivegay itway otay ouyay otay etgay onway a ostpay. Ellway, ehay otgay eryvay icksay andway oneway imetay ehay entway AWOL andway ucksnay underway a encefay andway amecay otay ymay oomray inway Onroemay. Enwhay ehay asway ueday otay ogay ackbay, ehay adhay emay alkway otay ethay aceplay erewhay Obbay Eelay asway ayingstay onway ishay eekendway asspay andway etgay ethay asspay orfay Eedray otay etgay ackbay onway ethay ostpay. Ohway, isthay isway atwhay I oldtay ouyay andway I'llway elltay ouyay againway. Ethay ivesway ouldcay ogay onway ethay ostpay everyway otherway ightnay, utbay ourway anniversaryway amecay onway a ightnay enwhay I asn'tway upposedsay otay ogay. Andway atwhay I idday enwhay I asway otnay upposedsay otay ogay onway ethay ostpay asway otay eetmay inway ethay uardhousegay andway ustjay alktay. Andway Eedray entsay emay a orsagecay, andway eway ereway ittingsay inway ethay uardhousegay, ustjay alkingtay, andway ethay MP erethay askedway aboutway ethay owersflay atthay I asway earingway, andway Eedray oldtay imhay itway asway ourway irstfay anniversaryway. Ehay aidsay, "Ogay otay owntay," andway otewray outway a asspay, andway osay Eedray otgay otay owntay atthay ightnay. Enthay atthay amesay MP anotherway imetay, Eedray avegay emay a orgedfay asspay andway I otgay offway ethay usbay andway asway ethay ivesway adhay otay oday I owedshay ethay asspay otay ethay MP, ethay amesay oneway, andway ehay ookedlay atway itway andway ehay aidsay, "Isthay isway onay oodgay." I on'tday owknay otay isthay ayday etherwhay ehay asway okingjay orway ehay eallyray ewknay itway asway onay oodgay. Afterway ookinglay atway itway ehay aidsay, "Ogay aheadway."
SL: E'llway ustjay avehay otay indfay atthay MP andway askway imhay etherwhay-asway ifway ehay ouldway ememberray. Osay e'veway ottengay upway otay Anuaryjay 1944 alreadyway. At'sthay oingday ettypray ellway. Ownay isthay isway enwhay allway ethay ainmay eventsway ereway anspiringtray overseasway; I eanmay, allway ethay urnaroundtay attlesbay ereway akingtay aceplay uringday 1943, orway anymay ofway emthay.